Backpacking Trip Planning…Part 1

Backpacking Trip Planning…Part 1

Hey everybody Shug here and I’m gonna
cover a topic today that I always thought would be not that interesting
especially on video and I’ve been asked a lot about this and it’s trip planning
so I thought about my own trip planning and it’s kind of laying in bed last
night thinking about it cuz to be honest kind of out of ideas for videos right
now and I thought I would cover this trip planning for you so here we go I’m
just gonna run through a list right quick these are just my observations go
on any kind of search engine you like like Google type in planning for a
backpacking trip and you’ll find all kinds of stuff the fact I’ll put a few
links below in the description box REI has a really good one and it’s just your
basics but you’re gonna have to work from there and think about it and think
how much work you want to put into it me I’m the Lord of lollygag so I put in as
little work as possible one of the first things that came to mind for me is on my
trips is it gonna be a solo am I gonna go with just one other person like
Hickory or are you going with a group because quite frankly the more people
you get involved the more work it is cuz everybody’s got different ideas you like
to think that you’re gonna be the leader oh no you’re not mother nature leads the
trip so a lot more decisions a lot more logistics you got different people with
different gear one of your people might not have the right gear they might
forget their spoon and be staring at yours the whole time hoping you’ll eat
fast and pass it on so a lot of things to think about the number of people in a
trip now though kind of lucky to live here in Minnesota because we have a lot
of hiking trails and I can drive north to the superior hiking trail and be
there within anywhere from three and a half to five hours of places I want to
go and that includes the Boundary Waters going out of Ely or if I decide to maybe
go up the gunflint trail and hit the Boundary Waters that way on some of the
foot trails now the difference for me is superior hiking trail you don’t need a
permit and there are no fees now if I go to the Boundary Waters I have to get a
permit and I have to pay fees so wherever you go look and see if it’s
free camping or do you need a permit do you need a bear can of
you know in some areas you’re required to carry a bear canister for your food
so check all their little guidelines and rules okay another thing to consider is
how long is your trip you have like one night you have seven nights or you’re
going for two weeks have you decided to go to another state like here in
Minnesota a lot of people ask me yeah I shook there why don’t you ever go to
California well I get one big trip a year that I meet hickory and a lot of
times my trips are last-minute and I got great trails close to me
and I can just get in the car plan trip and drive there if I go somewhere like
California or some trips I have done where I got a book an airline ticket I
got to figure out how I’m gonna get from the airport to the trailhead is somebody
gonna pick me up do I need to take a shuttle I got a pack so I can you know
get all my gear in my backpack which then I put in a suitcase then when I get
there I got to go buy fuel because you can’t fly with heat or white gas or
whatever it is so I have to go somewhere and buy a few more supplies blahdy
blahdy blah doodlee doodlee do I’m lazy I like to just go close but these are
things to consider and you know travel takes up more time which is less time on
the trail or having to add some days on either end of your trip so that’s
something to consider the amount of time you have and how much work you want to
put in into getting to the trail that you want to go on now a lot of things I
like to consider one especially when I take a solo trip is am I going to do
what I call a path town trip and a path town trip is where I’m gonna go for two
nights so I carry pop-tarts because they’re heavy and I’m at my own pace and
maybe I’m in the mood to cover some miles and sometimes I’m tired going into
trips but it just want to be in the woods so I can kind of restore my soul
and I might not want to do a lot of miles that said sometimes those miles
just appear to you and they happen anyway but think about the nature of
your trip you want to do kind of a crank it out I want to get from here to here
or um I want to get from here to here and your time is just more about being
in the woods so think about that if you’re going with another person discuss
that if you’re going with a group talk about that
you might have one person that’s a really slow hiker never leave them
behind you always set the pace for the slowest person in the group and just
know that that’s gonna be the pace you might have to slow down that’s what you
do for friends it’s just called being a decent person if you call the trip don’t
leave them behind you make sure at the end of the day that they’re with you
maybe you didn’t get the miles in that you wanted that’s okay go solo if you
want to crank it out no set on that you’ve kind of decided on a place now me
I have maps of all sort of places these are my maps of snow bank Lake in the
Boundary Waters that’s my border route trail I have these bags of maps well
right here these are my best maps of the Linville Gorge I got my superior hiking
trail guide I look in it a lot what I’m gonna go up I think I can sort of see
the distance from Camp to camp the terrain
these are little maps of the superior hiking trail that they sell you they’re
not super detailed but they give you just an idea of the area and that trail
is very well marked so it’s hard to get lost and permit from the Boundary Waters
I was reading this and they like for you to stay in designated campsites but when
you’re a hiker you are allowed to camp 150 feet from water source trail you
know all the important things and practice using Leave No Trace and if you
don’t know what Leave No Trace is Google that LNT camping tears my there’s my DA
say all the stuff or when Hickory and I did the Vermont long trail research maps
join the Green Mountain Club went on forums you find people yeah on a forum
and go as anybody ever parked here what’s the parking like you Green
Mountain Club let us know places like yeah there’s been some break-ins at this
trailhead so Hickory and I we sort of planned around that because on that
particular trip we had two cars so we were doing a lot of shuttling here’s the
border route book which has some little drawn maps but I order maps and if you
don’t know where to get maps go to a good camping store like REI and look at
companies like McKenzie Maps or Fisher Maps I’ll put those links in the bottom
of this video it’s a place to start so you get a map of that place down
online whatever you have to do a lot of trails have a website and study that map
look at the terrain look at the water sources are there many or they’re not
look where the trailheads are does it cross roads your map studies invaluable
just get used to the area you have to go crazy but at least you’ve got a familiar
reality about where you’re going maps get a map now another really handy
thing when you’re planning a trip nowadays is YouTube you’re on here right
now looking at this video so let’s say you’re gonna go to the pin hodie trail
just go up in your search box for YouTube and put in pin hodie trail and
you’ll get a lot of videos on it I met a guy this summer said oh sure I really
like your information I I get a little tired of you
so I skip through your videos just to get to what I want and I went you know
what I’m fine with that I don’t care I’ve been on YouTube long
enough to know that you can’t please everybody and not everybody’s gonna like
you or your personality the perfect Ralph a minute while I get tired I’m
gonna show a little thing here if you go to a YouTube video and you just want to
you know it’s the John Muir Trail and a million videos will come up the videos
are great because you can see the lay of the land if you get somebody that
actually takes time to film a little bit of the trail and film the area not just
them walking and talking in their face and you can easily skip through and kind
of highlight what you want to see and here’s a little video clip that’ll show
you how to do that you’re welcome so you can go down here on your slider
and I just take my cursor and go across and it will fast forward you through the
video so let’s say you want to just see my snowshoes click right there and let’s
say you want to just right there go to something else you can see how it’s just
scrolling through there and there’s my binding so now I click brings the video
right there that is how you can scroll through YouTube think of the terrain
you’re going on are you going on the Florida Trail which is pretty flat and
rambley people think Minnesota like disappear hiking trails not hilly it is
Haylee and they’ll surprise you sometimes are you going to the southeast
yeah you’re gonna have some mountains you’re gonna be going up and down a lot
Vermont when we hit the vermont long trail there are no switchbacks going up
you go straight up the mountain you go straight down the mountain and we did
the northern end and it was tough we were making about a mile an hour we
studied the terrain we still got a surprise we thought we were gonna do
better than that we had to really start getting up early early and making our
days a little longer to make up the time so look at the terrain look at the
length of the trail is it uh 15 mile trails of a 77 mile trail like the
foothills is it a three hundred and something mile trail and what section of
that trail you want to do based on the time you have

100 thoughts on “Backpacking Trip Planning…Part 1

  1. Yup, ran into the same thing with motorcycle rides. 20 people wanted to go, and the slowest rider wanted to lead from the back and dictate the pace/route. We broke it up into three groups: #1 left in the wee hours and rode hard/fast; #2 left in the wee hours and took a more leisurely pace; #3 got a late start and stopped for photo ops at every blade of grass along the way. At the end, everyone posted on a forum about their trip. It worked pretty good. Our planning? Meet at a particular fuel stop locale, look at the sky and decide which direction appeared to have the best chance of tolerable weather, and off we'd go.

  2. Only time I skim through your videos to the info is only after I've watched it a dozen times already, but forgot what you said about a particular thing and I'm trying to find it again. Literally just did this with your tarp videos last week. You are an invaluable source of information when it comes to backpacking and hammocking for us "Hammockers".
    But the person you are EXCEEDS all of that!! I always enjoy your videos!

  3. I do like you and your videos. I’ve learned a ton from them. Headed to the Boundary Waters soon because of you. Thanks for everything.

  4. Nice, I love this. I'm starting to plan my 1st thru hike on the SHT (going Shug watching) I've done many day hikes but never an over nighter. Watching your videos I want to get out there and do it. I want to get my end to ender certificate from the SHT. My problem, how do you plan for this? What do i need to know? Do i need to really know how to read a map and compass or blue blaze thru it? I've learned a lot already from your videos and bought a hammock tent so there I go getting gear ready.

  5. Oh the extremes of emotions of a Shug video!!
    Instant WHOOHOO!!! When i see 1. pop up, then martial arts grasshopper stupid grin through until shock/anger/devastation at 'to be continued' soothing of the beast by melodic strumming of the mandolin then back to devastation when it ends all to soon;((((( Love your work Shug
    Hurry up with part 2 already;))))
    Hurry up with shirts already;))))
    Utube superiority complex restored as i sign off✔

  6. Yes! I have asked for this and I understand your hesitation but am grateful that you are doing this. I recently got an InReach to be more comfortable on solo trips and trips with just me and the kids. So thanks!!

  7. On iPad or iPhone, one can finger tap on the right side of the video (not the scroll bar, but actual video) to skip ahead in increments. Multiple taps, ten second increments added. Tap left side of video, scroll back. Try it! Fun! Thanks Shug

  8. So glad you decided to post this video. Very informative as usual and like always… you bring a smile to my face. I thank you for that. Now about that rude guy…I believe that most of your subscribers what like to show him a thing or two. Loved the outro!

  9. I was wondering if you ever have trouble coming up with ideas for videos… you've covered sooo much of camping and hammocks and stoves and circusing! I don't know how you do it but, I'm real glad you do, do it!! I've learned so much from you over the years! Thank You, Shug!

  10. I don't understand "Leave No Trace". Is there an official website for exactly what those rules are? Exactly what does that mean for pissing and shitting??? I've read that to be LNT compliant you MUST carry out the toilet paper you wipe your ass with. Sorry, if it seems I've been triggered, but whenever someone starts talking LNT I have no idea what they exactly mean what I MUST do.

  11. Hey Shug, sorry I am not a big outdoors guy, but I wanna say that I saw Meg and Ariel on New Years Eve at the MOA. Reminded me of old times!

  12. I will sometimes search Google for local trails and camping spots.. then look up where they are.
    Thanks for the video

  13. Weeelllp…… Mr. Shugemery good video as always… and aaaaaahhhhhmmm…suffering of lakness of ideas for videos…. weeeeelllp…. what about tour videos to outdoors gear like ÜLA for example.

  14. This is right up my alley right now. I’m thinking on traveling by train and I suppose shuttle or something from Florida to Georgia for my solo trip. I didn’t think about the traveling with fuel issue, so thanks for that! I’ll probably go to Amtrak to discuss my options.

  15. When my husband was alive, as our son's were growing up, we would take trips that took my husband all year to plan. He had an itinerary planned out for three weeks of covering at least 3 states worlh of camping, hiking, museum's, State Capitol's and their buildings and whatever historic site was close by. When our youngest of 3 son's was around 7 years old we hiked up Mt Whitney. We started the hike at sunrise and we all crammed into a small pup tent at the end of the day's climb. My husband was a 6'6" husky viking so it was a tight fit but since there was only rock ground I had to anchor the tent with rocks…. more to that story.

    Now, an example of how important it is to go at the pace of the slowest person. When we were hiking out of the Grand Canyon we came upon a teen who had been left behind by his group. He had no water or food of any kind with him so we shared what we had then had him climb up with us until we came to an emergency phone to call the top and let them know what was happening. They sent a ranger down to retrieve him and mentioned that they had finally discovered that he was missing from the group…. (some group) We stayed the night and camped on the ground as our boy's were tired (all still in grade school) and it was late when the ranger came. We got permission to stay there for the night. .. an example of what not to do when you hike as a group… Not sure if this young man would have made it back up without help… it was extremely hot and he wasn't looking to good.

    Always get a smile with info so always good to watch your video's. Thank's

  16. Enjoyed this with a peanut butter pop tart. Good points as always. Girlfriend got me a Mandolin an lessons for x mass. It's been fun man woo buddy.

  17. This is a great serise to start. I know here in NY people don't plan much and get into trouble. As noted in the weekly Ranger report. I think you could save a lot of folks a bad trip.

  18. Hey Shug, did I miss something somewhere someday or somehow? I gotta know where to get a Hickory Brothers shirt like that! Do tell!

  19. As a fellow "hammocker", graphic designer/illustrator, loved the info but couldn't stop checking out the painting behind you…NICE!

  20. Well I like ya buddy and I watch annd save all your vids I have lost the use of my legs so I can't hike no more so see in you on tour trips and all that you do its like I am there to so you keep them coming and I will tag along to

  21. Do you want to know what grown men like to watch? Another grow man boiling water. LOL Boil some water from the hammock / make you some Madagleodra and and life will be right my friend.

  22. "Little Frederick does not plan well. When he attempts to accomplish complex tasks, his lack preparedness leads to disaster. He almost killed the the third grade's pet Guineapig, 'Mr. Bojangles,' by making him a tiny rucksack, fastened by duct tape, from a White Owl cigar box. He is no longer allowed to take Mr. Bojangles home."
    – Miss Schlicktermüse

  23. Great contribution! Sound advice I have talked with some that find this step to be overwhelming and stress about it. Trip planning seems natural for me at least that's what the girlfriend says as she tells me to plan the next backpacking adventure.

  24. Definatley a solo camper for me, less to worry about. Scotland so free to roam / camp. Public transport, I also view the journey to the trail as part of the adventure.

    Really like the painting in the background, got good movement – is it a photo it's copied from? ( top right).

    Maps are really good, I always take full size OS maps, shows surrounding areas. Trail specific maps show just the 'corridor' of path to follow and miss hills, rivers, lakes etc of interest a few miles near.

    Wow, you've earnt my longest reply to a YouTube video to date…

    Nice one.

  25. How about a video on the worst backpacker. Pick a good character name, 150# pack, a log chain ridgeline, .060 EPDM tarp, etc., etc.

  26. Dude, that guy is a d b. I'm not watching for 80% of your info, I'm watching for you. if he doesn't like you he ought to watch one of the other 100 backpacking channels. Now you are a hammock expert, but if you have been backpacking a few times you know the drill. I kinda like knowing that there are a few other hickory nuts in the woods.

  27. I don't need to learn things on every video. I just like the feeling of "hiking" along with Shug, without bothering him on his solo excursions.

  28. Hi Shug, Happy New year,I gave the gift of a Shug hat to my buddy he loves it.Watching your videos got me to watching vlogers when they do the AT.holy crap a seed has been planted.👍

  29. PAP-TARTS ! And EARLY! Awww Shug, you know I never skip and watched almost All your videos!
    Nice painting behind, based on your photo!
    Thank you for the tips, this is a great idea for a video!

  30. Howdy Shug. For those youtubers that don’t like your personality, well they’re like a stick, you know the ones on the trail that you see in the mud.🤭 Could you be so kind and share a link or point me towards your video that has you using the little wooden puppet man that you dance on your knee? Thanks in advance and hope to see ya down in the gorge some day!

  31. I'm not a smart man,but I know what RUDE is!That guy was being RUDE! The only time I jump around in your vids is when you are showing knots and I replay them over and over.Thanks for the becket and j bend ole buddy!

  32. ❤️this… I had to learn to walk slower with my kids, it drove me mad to begin with, but then I learnt to look with my kids eyes and start to see the interesting patch of moss on a tree or a stone that looks like a face, etc. Etc. Etc… now I love walking with my kids, and I love seeing them enjoy the things they see…

  33. I'm envious of your map collection. Planning is one of the most enjoyable aspects of backpacking, especially looking at maps and guidebooks. Often my planning looks suspiciously like daydreaming, but it's useful – useful, I say!

  34. been watching you for years man,always good or better then good.
    i live in south central LOUISIANA and we do not have the snow or the cold you do,what we do have is subtropical climate and plenty of woods.
    Climate south central – Louisiana°C | °F

    Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun

    Average high in °F: 60 65 72 78 85 90

    Average low in °F: 37 40 48 54 63 69

    Av. precipitation in inch: 5.35 4.8 4.09 4.21 5.91 6.26

    Days with precipitation: – – – – – –

    Hours of sunshine: – – – – – –

    Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec

    Average high in °F: 92 93 89 80 71 62

    Average low in °F: 72 71 65 55 47 39

    Av. precipitation in inch: 4.49 4.06 5.04 5.63 6.42 6.3

    Days with precipitation: – – – – – –

    Hours of sunshine: – – – – – –

    the winter camping is easy it is the summer camping that is the challenge and i do love it so .i would like to see you do a little on hammock camping in the tropics .
    i am impressed man where do you find the time,thanks for sharing.
    60 yrs in the woods and still at it at 72,thanks again man for sharing,one is never too old to learn when it comes to backpacking.

  35. My wife and I have studied your trips and select our next SHT trip based on your advice, this summer it will be Crosby Manitou State Park area. Your videos help us to plan and entertain! Don't get me started even on what we have learned about hammocking and hiking the BWCA! Thanks for all you do, see you on the trail!

  36. Practically speaking: learn to use chopsticks, makes losing a spoon less of a problem. Also as to scrolling through the videos to save some time or avoid issues, there's also there's the speed settings for ramping up or slowing down any video to suit the needs of the viewer. Excellent playing there Shug, your progress on the mandolin inspired me to get better at guitar and that I've been doing. Thanks, All Secure.

  37. I've never in my life heard anyone say they were lucky to live in Minnesota. LOL

    WAY to cold there and WAY too long of a winter.

  38. I nerd out over the trip planning. I buy maps, pencil out the mileage, go over GPS waypoints, etc. Then comes the meal planning! It's all part of the enjoyment for me.

  39. Sometimes I over plan! I'm especially bad about bringing too much gear. I'd like to know how to minimize. Especially with cold weather gear.

  40. Leave no one behind. Set the pace for the slowest person. That’s what friends do. Be a decent person. Well said, shug!

  41. Just seen you on due north and if you love the woods you should use cardboard or pool noodles to keep your hammock strings from damaging trees.

  42. Shug, I really like your videos but I have to say your snow shoes just irritate me to no end. Imagine that! Just kidding, keep up the great content.

  43. Great vid …. that's a very nice interpretation of the photo over your right shoulder. Did you do it? And thanks for some picking at the end.

  44. One thing I do every trip is look at basil out points in case of emergency. Usually every five miles or so, what is the quickest way off trail from that point. It often requires bushwacking to the nearest road.

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